Young Man: If the pulpit twists and turns with the subtle-secret ideological-agenda of the government to turn the believers into sheeple, where is the religion?

Old Man: In the ideology that uses the pulpit to move it.

Young Man: And what ideology is that?

Old Man: I know not and can only imagine, but whatever it is, it is cult, and not religious-ideal, as cults seek to control and cull their followers, whilst religion ought to be freeing them.